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CBJMatt's picture

2005 by far. The entire scouting department wanted Anze Kopitar, but MacLean overruled them to get Brule. Imagine him lining up with Nash on one wing. 

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General Mokus's picture

I'm sad already :(

The General

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Q's picture

This is easy. The worst "draft" was the decision to hire Fast Dougie MacLean. Every decision referenced above was the result of Dougie over ruling his scouting staff. It took the CBJ five lost seasons after he was gone to put out the dumpster fire HE created and start to find and develop strong young players like Z, PLD and Seth (who came back in a trade for one of Howson's draft picks).

The rest of the league gets it. I don't believe Dougie has a ever had another job in hockey (other than a part time radio gig back up home in the great white north).

Q

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qbert381's picture

Doug MacLean was rough to say the least.... Difference between coaching and GM. After he left here, he started some investor group that tried to move the Yotes to Canada but failed (I think they also tried to acquire TBL too). 

“Because it’s not worth winning if you can’t win big!”

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General Mokus's picture

"Filly don't do rebounds"

All that need be said

The General

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General Mokus's picture

In '03 we also missed out on Corey Perry, Ryan Suter, Dion Phaneuf, Dustin Brown, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Brent Burns, Ryan Kesler, and Corey Perry. AND THAT WAS ALL IN THE FIRST ROUND.

The General

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bluejacketsfanwpsl's picture

Yeah, Picard was the worst player.  Brule was the biggest miss (Kopitar, et al).

But we had three first round picks and got Wennberg, Dano and Rychel....

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OWSH45's picture

Dano's in Cleveland. Is Rychel still playing in North America? And the sooner Wennberg is playing in Europe, the better. Not exactly a shining endorsement for 1st round picks.

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Doggy's picture

I really liked Mantha in that 2013 draft...instead we took Rachel.  SMH!

This word you keep saying...I don't think it means what you think it means.

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CBJMatt's picture

As we've discussed a ton around here, once you're outside of the top-5ish, it's very hit or miss on what you come up with. If you look at some of the expected value charts for draft picks, anything after 15ish is not all that much better than a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Wennberg hasn't turned into the #2 center we expected, but he's hardly a dud. He had his big year in a contract year, and with that came higher expectations. If he had signed, say, a 3 year, $7.5 million deal, I don't think there would be nearly the vitriol about him. The three guys after him? Ryan Pulock, Nikita Zadorov, and Curtiz Lazar. 

Rychel over Mantha hurts to look at, but when you're picking 18, teams prospect boards are all over the place. At the time everyone praised the Rychel pick as the type of physical scoring forward that Josh Anderson has become. And then Dano was at 27. The three guys after him were Morgan Klimchuk, Jason Dickinson, and Ryan Hartman. The early parts of round 2 aren't much better.

In that same draft, we also got Oliver Bjorkstrand in the third round. 

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OWSH45's picture

But Jarmo and the scouts do seem to do well with lower round picks.

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General Mokus's picture

Didn’t we also miss Shea Theodore somewhere in that shuffle too?

The General

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CBJMatt's picture

Believe he went between Rychel and Dano.

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Q's picture

Go out to YouTube and grab Torts pregame interview yesterday. He really spoke in very glowing terms about how much the team will miss Wennberg while he is on IR. Of course he mentioned everything except scoring goals, but for a curmudgeon like Torts it was really interesting to hear him talk about how much Wennberg has contributed to the CBJ success.

Q

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CBJMatt's picture

That's mostly what I was getting at. He's overpaid compared to his production, but if he was making $2 million less per year, we wouldn't be thinking anything of it. Maybe underachieving relative to his draft position, but I don't think it's a huge leap to say he's one of the better defensive centers in at least the Metro.

Regardless, he had been much more noticeable leading up to the injury than he was during the stretch prior.

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OWSH45's picture

I'll grant you that he is a very good defensive center. But, as I noted in a different thread, more offense is expected of even a 4th line center than Wennberg has produced. To me, that means that, regardless of his salary, he's a failed draft pick and needs to be replaced. Your milage may vary.

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bluejacketsfanwpsl's picture

I wasn't necessarily saying all of the three are bad picks.  I just have the notion that a first rounder ought to be an NHL player.

That year we were one for three.

So I found this: https://www.liveabout.com/nhl-draft-picks-2779293

"TSN concluded that 80 percent of first-round picks become at least low-level NHL players,"

2015 - Werenski Carlson

2014 - Milano

2013 - Wennberg, Rychel, Dano

2012 - Murray

2011 - none

2010 - Johansen

2009 - Moore

2008 - Filatov

2007 - Voracek

2006 - Brassard

That looks like 9 wins and 3 losses in ten years.  About average, I guess.

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OWSH45's picture

Checking your math, Carlsson, Rychel, Dano and Filatov is four. Milano has yet to establish himself as a full time NHLer, so we'll give him an incomplete. And there are 12 players listed. So, nearly 75%.

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bluejacketsfanwpsl's picture

Yeah.... I think I counted Milano, he's not going back down.  But I think I gave Carlsson the incomplete. 

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